Question:

[Note: This has been severely reduced from the original because it was too long and filled with twisted usage of the Scriptures. I am only presenting a summary so you can get the gist of the arguments made.]

The spirit cannot be God.

If your congregation is singing praises to the holy spirit, you are doing something that not found in the N T. Let us speak where the Bible speaks, and silent where it's silent. Also, are you robbing the Father of His glory of being the only true God?

How can Christ be a God in the same senseas the Godhe learned from, before coming to earth; andsince he did not come "from himself? Christteaches usthathis God & Father & our God & Father,is the one whosent him; showing he is notthe same "oneGod" who sent him, or the "one God" he is speaking for. "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son." Jn 3:16 How many persons is this God? Did Christgive hisSon? Thus, we know it's talking about the Father who so loved the world. Christ was God's Son before coming to earth, as the passages above clearly show.

Plus Christ went far above the heavens goingback to be with his God,whilethe spirit that he sentis on earth. Lying to the spirit is the same as lying to God, because It's the spirit who is revealing our thoughts to God who is in heaven. I say this because most people quote Act 5:3,4 as the one passage that they say calls the spirit God. If the spirit was God, there would be more than one passage showing he is God,and that we should worship him.

In the future heavenly City:The Glory of God is the light & the lamp is the Lamb. Why is the spirit not in the following passages, if he is God? Where is the spirit inthefuture heavenly city? Whatdoes he do in the future city? Thus, he cannot be God in the heavenly city!

The spirits can go any place man can go. This does not mean that any onespirit is everywhere, but everywhere man can go! If The Father is not everywhere in person, then surely an angel, or spirit, is not everywhere??? Why havemany spirits, or angels, doing something, if one spirit can do it all? Like many angels were helping Christ when he was on earth. If one spirit was everywhere, and had all power; there would be no need for manyangels. Why should Christ call 12000 angels? Plus, when Christ goes back to heaven, he will send the spirit. If he does not go, the spirit will not come. Jn 16:7 Does this sound like the spirit is everywhere? There is no passage that tell us that any one spirit is everywhere?

This is the angel of Rev 14:6 1:1 who guided the churches unto all truth. Jn 16:13Who gave John the little book, the word of God. A holy angel is a spirit, thus a holy spirit. Heb 1:14 Who spoke the truth because he was not speaking for himself. Jn 16:13 How can he be the God he is speaking for? Plus, this angel who is speaking through John, is speaking to the seven churches.Thus, to each church, it begins; "The spirit said to the church at" which is referring tothe angel, who is a spirit. Heb 1:14 This is why anangel, is used interchangeablewith spirit in the Bible.


Answer:

Your logic is flawed. Most of your arguments about the Spirit require one to believe that Jesus was not God or at the very least was not equivalent to God. Once you "prove" that Jesus was not God, you show that the Spirit is in the same category as Jesus. Your conclusion then is that if Jesus is not God, then the Spirit can not be God either.

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6)

Here Jesus is called both Everlasting Father and Mighty God. Yet, according to your reasoning, only "the Father" is God. How could Jesus be both the Son of God and Everlasting Father at the same time? It is only a problem because you try to enforce earthly concepts of parentage onto spiritual based beings.

"'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!' At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds." (John 8:57-58)

Here Jesus uses the phrase "I AM" in the way that God used it to reveal himself to Moses (Exodus 3). The crowds caught the meaning immediately and were willing to stone Jesus for it. If Jesus was not the "I AM", then his words would have been blasphemy and the crowds would have been correct to stone him. Jesus never spoke a lie and therefore by saying he was "I AM", he states with no reservation his equality with the Father.

"Thomas said to him, 'My Lord and my God!'" (John 20:28)

Jesus did not rebuke Thomas. He therefore accepted Thomas' remarks as true. Jesus once again accepts worship and equality with the Father.

"In a loud voice they sang: 'Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!'Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, singing: 'To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!'" (Revelation 5:12)

In the throne scene, Jesus is declared to be worthy of being worshiped by all creatures in heaven and on earth. We are among those on earth, therefore we are expected to worship Jesus as deity.

You just declare that the Holy Spirit is just an angel without proof. You cite verses that references the Spirit, but none show that the Spirit and angels are the same thing.

"I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin." (Mark 3:28-29)

If the Spirit is the same thing as angels, then any blasphemy against angels would be unpardonable. Blasphemy against the Father and the Son can be forgiven, but not against the Spirit. That says that in some way the Spirit is more important than the Father or the Son. If the Spirit was just another name for the angels, then that would conclude that angels are in some way superior to the Father and the Son -- which is totally ridiculous. Hebrews 2:1-4 shows that the word of Jesus is superior to the word of angels.

"As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased." (Matthew 3:16-17)

Here the Spirit of God is revealed in a separate body from the Father because the voice of the Father comes from heaven, while the Spirit is said to be sitting on Jesus. Therefore the Spirit is separate from the Father, but is in some way important enough to be part of the heavenly testimony of Jesus being the Son.

As you mention, Acts 5:3 says that Ananias lied to the Spirit. In Acts 5:4 he equates the Spirit to God. In Acts 5:9 he again equates the deeds as lying to the Spirit.You asked the rhetorical question about something being revealed only one time was not enough to prove a doctrine. "If the spirit was God, there would be more than one passage showing he is God". Where do you come up with such a rule? Prove from the scriptures that is true. Something revealed once is sufficient to prove that it is true. We are not talking about man's testimony which can be uncertain, we are talking about the Bible. (Besides, I already gave you two more verses that talk about the Spirit in very reverent ways.)

Some more verses that show the equivalence of the Father, Son and Spirit.

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19)

"I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit." (Mark 1:8)

"You stiff-necked people, with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You are just like your fathers: You always resist the Holy Spirit!" (Acts 7:51)

"It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:" (Acts 15:28)

"May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit." (Romans 15:13)

"May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all." (II Corinthians 13:14)

Therefore all of your theories about the role of the Spirit of God fall apart.

Darrell Hamilton


I would like to add one more item to the points made. The claim is that in Revelation the Spirit is not seen in the heavenly city, therefore the Spirit is not God. The pratice is called artificial restriction. Because a point is not made in precisely the wording demanded or in exactly the section the information is sought, the conclusion of the false teacher is that it is not there because it is not possible.

The problem is that the Spirit is mentioned in Revelation. Mentioned as one whoinvites people into heaven. "And the Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely" (Revelation 22:17). The Holy Spirit is represented in Revelation by the image "the seven Spirits of God" (Revelation 1:4; 3:1; 4:5; 5:6). The number seven being the representation of something complete, perfect, or without flaw. Please note the location of "the seven Spirits of God:" "John, to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne" (Revelation 1:4).

But what is more interesting is that early this person rants that Jesus could not be diety. He then makes a point that the Spirit is not mentioned in the heavenly city, thus the Spirit could not be diety. But Jesus is mentioned in the heavenly city. By his own criteria, he establishes Jesus as diety!

But such is often the case with false teachers. They tend to be self-contradictory.