If I am so foul-mouthed and foolish (see prior message), why even waste your time with a reply to me? Stop hiding behind your Bible. This “spare the rod” nonsense came from Solomon, who viciously abused his servants, wives and children. I suppose I am just too foolish to understand how inflicting violence and physical pain on another human being does them, you, or the world in general any good. Choice, behavior, and the realm of human emotion and experience is infinitely more complex than “we’re born sinners and need to be violently abused to realize the error of our ways and become godly.” I contend that it is possible to raise healthy, happy children who grow into well-adjusted and successful adults without beating them.

PS. Watch out, I’m going to get offensive again. It’s sad, really, and if you have had kids I feel very sorry for them. Tell me, if you were my father and caught me masturbating, how many bruises and welts on my back side and thighs would give me a “clean slate?” How long would you beat me? What instrument of torture would you use? What sort of evil, manipulative things would you say to me? If I sobbed and wailed, would that mean I’m making a “big scene” and need more punishment, or that I was finally “contrite?” Indeed, what would Jesus beat me with? “The rod?”


I answered because even a foul-mouth fool deserves to learn from God's word. Remember, you are the one who initially took the time to write. "Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. Therefore "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; If he is thirsty, give him a drink; For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head." Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good" (Romans 12:15-21).

Being a preacher, I am obligated to teach Bible. "If anyone speaks, let him speak as the oracles of God" (I Peter 4:11). If you didn't want to hear what God had to say on a matter, you came to the wrong place.

Paul taught, "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work" (II Timothy 3:16-17). All Scripture would include the Solomon's writings in the book of Proverbs. Where you see Proverbs as words of a man, I see a man inspired of God recording the wisdom of God. You claim that Solomon viciously abused those around him, but such is not found in the Bible. You are erecting a strawman to give credence to your desire to ignore the reasoned teachings found in the Bible.

Yes, you are foolish to think that you know more than the God who made you. You are also ignoring the documented evidence of modern-day studies that continue to show that God has been right all along. Corporal punishment has been used successfully for multiple thousands of years. It is only within the last century or so that people have begun to argue against it. In case you missed some of the studies:

I could go on and on, but these are sufficient to make the case that you don't understand the complexities of human development. For that matter, neither do I; but the Lord God Almighty is competent in this and all other areas, "as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue" (II Peter 1:3).

You know, you really should take a moment to read before writing. It makes you look foolish when you present arguments against things that cannot be found on this web site. You make a quote that "we are all born sinners ..." Such is not taught in the Bible and is a topic I argue against. (See "Is Sin Inherited From Adam?" as just one of several examples on this web site.) You ask if I would punish masturbation, once again proving you did not do your research, but blindly shot at what you assumed was my position. See the answer to the question: "Is masturbation unacceptable?" Nor will you find any teaching that spanking removes sin and gives a person a "clean slate." For a list of responses to questions about spanking, see Questions and Answers Regarding Spanking. For my writings about child rearing, including the role that spanking plays in the discipline of children, see Raising Godly Children in a Wicked World.

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